Behaviour in the World of Warcraft

[Noadonis]

Hello All.

It has been brought to my attention that some members used yesterday's (spoiler) event by Bloodhounds in Silithus to vent their anger either in an OOC or generally offensive way.

While I understand that some people were very upset by the events of this week and the opening of the gates, it is not acceptable to use offensive behaviour or language towards other players.  This is just a game, and should be treated as such.

Please remember to treat other people with respect, and most importantly, to treat other members of Prophecy with respect as this sort of behaviour reflects badly on the whole guild.

Noa

[gruffalo]

I agree with Noa's statement wholeheartedly.
Further to this, we must be careful to not get a reputation as a guild for being abusive and/or aggressive. The following is a quote from wow-europe realm forums from the long thread about the AQ gates opening, posted by Earthwhisper who I think is GM of Bloodhounds:

If the Prophecy wants to hate me or my guild for that matter, so be it. From what I know, it won't be much different from our guilds' relations before. I do hope that in time people realise who the hostile and unfriendly side was in this confilct, and will return all the hate to them three-fold.

Now while I don't have any kind of respect for this guy's opinion, it does highlight this potential issue i.e. serious damage to the guild's reputation, especially in the eyes of people who don't know the whole story.

Prophecy builds it's whole ethos on being a friendly and relaxed guild. This must apply to relations outside the guild as well as inside the guild. Now while I understand that alot of us are very upset with Voley and Bloodhounds, we cannot be seen to flame or hurl abuse. This is not to protect Voley and/or Bloodhounds because quite frankly I don't care a jot for them, but to protect the guild from a bad reputation and/or reports for abusive language/behaviour.

And, perhaps most importantly, such behaviour is just not our style. Rise above it and express your grievance in perfectly worded RP if you must, or simply turn away. Flame wars and griefing/ abuse will not lead to anything good... and will just drag the guild down to a level which I don't feel comfortable at.

The saying "Hell is other people" is never more true than on a MmoRPG. This is why we in this guild have tried to surround ourselves with pleasant, relaxed, tolerant, groovy people; to me, this atmosphere, this attitude, is a more important and defining feature of Prophecy than any RP/PvE/PvP goals we might have as groups and individuals.

And part of keeping a pleasant and tolerant guild is being intolerant of abusive or aggressive behaviour. So don't do it.

Peace out!

Gruff

[Kipanga]

Respect is a two way thing I have found in my Life, Since I was first so unfortunate as to hear the Putrid name Of that *censored* I or anyone I know have not received anything even approaching a hint of Respect from this Creature, so I ask you in all honesty why  should we not return what is given to us in kind ?

He has , for a handful of coins, spat on us in the most base of manners, he has reduced our whole reason for existing to dust in the wind just so he can run off back to his Friends on whichever server he came from to say "I am The High overLord of such and such, see I ride the riding beast of total bling" and you say he deserves Respect ? I say NO, he does not, he deserves and will get nothing but my Contempt !!

I am not happy and will not be so until his head is on a pole that I may spit in his Putrid Face !!

[Heffa]

He has , for a handful of coins, spat on us in the most base of manners, he has reduced our whole reason for existing to dust in the wind just so he can run off back to his Friends on whichever server he came from to say "I am The High overLord of such and such, see I ride the riding beast of total bling" and you say he deserves Respect ?

Gruff didn't say that he deserved respect - Voley clearly doesn't deserve our respect. That doesn't mean we need to sacrifice our own good reputation as a guild and as people to abuse him and Bloodhounds.

Some of the behaviour at the event last night sounds like it was very out of order and helps nothing in the situation.

[Rowain]

You are right, Gruff. I earlier got into a debate because I've noticed a thread praising Voley on the realm forums. And to my shock this thread was started by Phandorah. (the thread was deleted later)

I think I wasn't arrogant, but I probably shouldn't have answered. Anyway, there came another shocker: in her reply later, Dora started to throw mud at us, she claimed that several Prophecy members would like to thank Voley, but they are afraid of our reaction. It is horse hockey of course (excuse the wording, but it is appropriate here) and I'm sure Dora knows it. I just got very sad.

Anyway, I'm cool now. I think we should try to get over all this and prepare for raiding AQ.

[Heffa]

I saw that thread earlier Row, and I think your responses were fine. That particular thread looks like it was designed to start a flame war. I was going to respond as well, but I was worried about what I might say.

Phandorah's mud-slinging was really upsetting, and I confess to being a bit shocked by her. I find it very sad that she feels the need to flame us on the public forums.

I think you're right though, we have to just try and move past all this, as upsetting as it is.

[gruffalo]

He may not deserve respect, but we can't be seen to be being abusive by others. This whole event may have messed up alot of our RP purpose as a guild, but it has happened, and now it's down to damage limitation. And, it would seem, the eyes of the Horde community on DMF are on us now, we have the potential of destroying our good reputation by engaging in flaming and abusing Bloodhounds and Voley.

And sure, alot of us are really upset. But please, for the sake of the whole guild (including some guildies who didnt even know what AQ was until yesterday) try not to spoil our reputation in the eyes of 3rd parties who may observe what is being said on these public forums, or on wow-europe forums, or in-game.

Just take a second and think: what will it achieve? Sure, it might make you feel better, but think of the consequences for the guild you represent. Of course, we can and arguably should show our displeasure, but this can be done responsibly by RPing it; e.g

"The world is not ready to face this evil! Much harm will be done by your rash actions..."

or so on. This kind of thing will not lay us open to criticism as it is not personal abuse, and is in keeping with the guild's RP storyline.

On the subject of RP, we need to be moving on from this with the guild RP storyline, and work out how to incorporate this event into it, even if it has happened out of our control.

But in any case, in my strong opinion Fanatical Hatred is not a direction the guild should be heading in. Thats not what I play the game to experience or to be associated with. I fully understand and empathise with people's emotions on the topic and I realise I am being annoyingly righteous and so on, but I felt that I had to make my stance clear on the issue for the guild's sake,  and for the sake of keeping it the fantastic guild it is.

[Noadonis]

yeah I responded to Dora's last post on that thread, but it was deleted quite soon after so I don't know if she responded to my response.  Anyway the gist of my post was that people in Prophecy are entitled to their own view and that there is no pressure from 'the management' on their views but that we won't tolerate player abuse by our members.

Noa